Although we had been making enough neutrons to measure for some months, we didn't want to apply for Neutron Club membership on the forum until we really had something decent, at least on a par with the other members, hopefully a step forward. Well, at least with this series of runs, we achieved the former. The latter only came later. Here is our entry request and resulting thread on the fusor forum. We're in "the club" now! Here is some more info on that run series, with pictures that would have overloaded the fusor forum bandwidth.
![]() The big tank is one Bill found at a high tech scrap yard, it was once part of an electron microscope. I cleaned it out and added some things for fusor research, such as the Pfeiffer vacuum pump system, a 500 l/sec turbo, and a two stage UltraDry forepump, the mass spectrometer (0-200 amu) a viewport/door, and numerous flanges and feednthroughs and gaskets to make it complete, or nearly so. It's good enough to do real work in at present. This picture was taken before we added a lead dress to the entire tank for gamma rays, and before we got the 3He tube and the nifty new Spellman SL2KW power supply which makes 50kv at 40 ma (actually, it easily makes more, but those are the specs). For these runs, we used a smaller Spellman PTV-200-class supply, which puts out 40kv or so at about 12.5 ma, it's the lower one in the stack on the table on the lower right. As with most ebay items (we really stole that pair for $179, and thanks Bill for coming up with these jewels, and Spellman for making great stuff that lives on and on) these didn't have the HV cable in usable form, so we made one from Accel ignition wire and the shield from RG8 class coax. Just a little adapter had to be made on the lathe out of PEEK for that one, no big deal. As you can see, the HV business end is in a Cu screen shield for our safety. Whenever we get things stable for awhile, that screen goes on there to keep the lightning away from us, but allow us to see in and troubleshoot any corona or arc problems. The screen is held on by a hose clamp on the flange it mounts to, which also grounds it well. You can see our microwave ion source lighting up in there, and our HV feedthrough with the coil ballast and neon bulb on the end. Atop the stack of Spellmans there is a CCFL based plus and minus 2kv variable supply for detectors and the like, and on top of that the 12v regulated supply that runs it. Not seen in this picture is the control panel for the Pfeiffer station and gage readout I inlet into the table top on the side we are standing on. You'd think that for that money they'd have backlit the LCD display, but nope, and that's a constant hassle when running in the dark so we can see in there and take better pictures. Funny, they didn't seem to mind using hideously expensive (but reliable) connectors, so that penny pinching seems out of character. The forepump has some shake, so it's mounted on the bottom on rubber isolators, and we added maybe 200 lbs lead to that platform. The turbo is mounted on a bellows, so the tank is pretty vibration free and it's all quiet running. The system easily reaches e-8 mbar when we don't have any plastic tubing involved in the gas plumbing, even though the froot door has a viton seal and there are a couple of viton type tubing couplers on there. But everytime we add even one more inch of viton, the base pressure goes up, so we keep that to a minumum so far as possible. On the corner of the wood table in front you can see the IR thermometer we use to keep track of tank temperatures duing runs. You can also see an early version of our neutron oven/moderator we use to activate things like silver for integrating neutron flux measurements. We've since improved that due to some advice from Frank Sanns to not use PVC as the moderator, and the new HDPE one does work better, and has more places to insert samples at various moderation levels for testing. The oven is sitting on the flange stub just above the screen, and kind of obscures the "danger high voltage" sign we put on there. No problems with that; we know better than to stick fingers too close! Just below and to the right of the oven, you can see a bend in the little bit of lead we wrapped the stub in, which is where we insert our BTI bubble dosimeter during runs to get some idea how we are doing. At this point, we're making another holder farther away, because we are ruining them fast with too many neutrons. As Curtis Faith said, "nice problem to have". We hope to have him here in other than email form at some point to help more, with this and with our shared interest in market trading as well, which is where most of the bucks come from to fund our efforts.
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![]() As you may guess from the picture, our standoff is made with a 10-32 tapped hole in the end to support grids, it's a nice system. The clips that hold the protective window were made here from beryllium-copper alloy. In the back you can see a piece of "India Glass" (known as mica outside of the McMaster catalog) we sometimes used to keep grid material from sputtering onto the insulator of the feedthrough, with kind of mixed results. |
Two runs tonight made quite a few neutrons, and I'm very sorry BiilF couldn't be here just now to see this and help write it, but no question -- this is Bill's day too. The system is finally stable enough that I could (and did) just go up to it, flip the appropriate switches and turn the valves, and bingo, here is fusion. We're made neutrons quite a few times before, but not in a stable situation, now that is in the past, mostly, the system just works now with the usual need for a pilot to balance that gas pressure on that knife edge anyone who had been successful knows about..
Conditions:
Run 1
50.7 Kv (at supply)
3.8 ma average (fairly stable)
Pressure indicated - 2.5 e-2 mbar, and yes, I know this isn't right, see above
Run time 6:16 - 6:21 pm, of 5 minutes pretty close.
71 bubbles on 33 b/mrem BTI at 4.1" from grid center
Run 2:
50.6 kv at supply
5-8 ma, not as stable, current limit at 15 ma never hit or even close though.
Same indicated pressure, but a little more gas (resolution limit of gage is showing)
Run time: 6:30 - 6:35 pm
78 bubbles on 35 b/mrem bti (the other one hadn't recovered)
After the second run, checked the silver in the neutron oven, 2" sq piece
tested on a 2" diameter pancake detector:
Background 42,42,48 cpm after testing silver (10 sec counts throughout)
Silver counts:
846,648,618,408,398,186,240,198 cpm in ten second periods. About 20=30 seconds from fusor to counter before counting started. Had to wait for it to be safe to get near the HV parts where the neutron oven is.
Common conditions:
Ballast: R 46k water/CuSO4 resistor in series with 210 turn coil 3.5" od.
Measured at the end of 2nd run, was probable about 55k at start, has a tempco.
Gas: 99.99% D, a little less good than research grade since we transferred some to another tank, and frankly, it was never as many nines as they claimed, or so my mass spectrometer says. We were running about 3 psi into the plumbing from a very nice 2 stage vernier regulator, which is followed by a nearly shut needle valve, and then a 2.5" long .007" ID capillary SS tubing at the ion source. Needle valve is "coarse" and regulator is "fine" adjustment, and the turbo pump was throttled down from its usual 833 rps to 168 rps, and the valve between it and the forepump open ~1/8 turn, forepump forced to run during the runs.
Grid: 8 wires 2.25" long, 1" od cylindrical, one end closed at FT, the other open.
see this forum thread for more pix
This run looked like that one at the higher current, at the lower, only 2 rays, and those barely visible, mainly just the pencil at focus was seen.
uWave ECR ion source used on both runs, pushme-pullyou electrodes at 2.1kv each., 2.45 ghz, approx 50w DC nput to the magnetron, about 5 mils on the extraction electrodes. H field crossed at about 980 gauss in the middle, more near the yoke.
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Luckily, Dave Knight (the guy in the middle of the crew picture) was here to witness this and help with the silver activation counts, as he is also the guy who wrote some of the software we use here for that, in our MultiGeiger project (which will soon have a page here). Bill didn't make it till the next day, when we took the picture at the top.
Right after this, we found a new pulsed mode we could run in that gives fantastically higher Q and a lot more neutrons to boot, and that is what we are working on now. The object currently is to find out how to do it much simpler than our super duper and expensive gear implies is needed, and there's some good progress on that, but that's another page that will be up REAL_SOON_NOW. The hope is to get others to duplicate our results without all this expensive stuff, and it very much looks possible at this point to do just that.
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